On Aug 14, 1:43=A0pm, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> phil scott wrote:
> > On Aug 14, 9:41 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> phil scott wrote:
> >>> On Aug 12, 3:32 pm, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> phil scott wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 10, 11:08 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>>> phil scott wrote:
> >>>>>>> the new laptop =A0dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration,
meant=
ime i
> >>>>>>> was wondering why things were so difficult.
> >>>>>>> the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you
ha=
d any
> >>>>>>> sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke
cr=
ack
> >>>>>>> or anything, =A0it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its
a=
good
> >>>>>>> machine. =A0 =A0as it turns out so far not much faster than my
50=
0 dollar
> >>>>>>> compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
> >>>>>>> also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont
enlarge
> >>>>>>> either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them
you=
need
> >>>>>>> to see. =A0Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual
menu=
's and
> >>>>>>> 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'..
its=
now
> >>>>>>> readable. =A0 =A0without the nonglare screen, it would be even
mo=
re
> >>>>>>> readable.
> >>>>>>> Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot
o=
f
> >>>>>>> high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar
com=
paq
> >>>>>>> has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. =A0(Dell uses
intel=
)
> >>>>>>> be sure to get the glossy screen.. =A0 =A0street prices on ebay
a=
re about
> >>>>>>> half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. =A0..
=
it came
> >>>>>>> in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
> >>>>>>> etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. =A0 =A0saved
=
me 1500
> >>>>>>> bucks.
> >>>>>>> i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all
that
> >>>>>>> mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... =A0 i also
go=
t a
> >>>>>>> wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the
pe=
n
> >>>>>>> makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you
c=
an
> >>>>>>> get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
> >>>>>>> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be
ab=
out
> >>>>>>> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy...
th=
e
> >>>>>>> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic
t=
ime
> >>>>>>> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
> >>>>>>> if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..'
li=
sten,
> >>>>>>> look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on
the
> >>>>>>> recording.
> >>>>>>> for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and
having=
to
> >>>>>>> remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
> >>>>>>> the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
> >>>>>>> August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release'
d=
ate..
> >>>>>>> so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it
=
in
> >>>>>>> the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more
=
last
> >>>>>>> miinute tweeks...
> >>>>>>> . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
> >>>>>>> Phil scott
> >>>>>> Phil, =A0Sorry if this is a bit off topic. =A0In an earlier post
y=
ou
> >>>>>> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. =A0What was it, if
y=
ou don't
> >>>>>> mind me asking?
> >>>>>> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in
allowanc=
e on
> >>>>>> your existing CAD package. =A0If so, I might in interest in that,
=
if still
> >>>>>> available. =A0I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not
q=
uite
> >>>>>> doing the job.
> >>>>>> Thanks for any info on this. =A0I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide
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> >>>>> its probably still available to those currently running SW,
Invento=
r,
> >>>>> and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the
factory
> >>>>> though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its
new=
to
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>> .. they need to
> >>>>> see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to
speak....
> >>>>> the feeling i got was
> >>>>> that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming
out
> >>>>> they think they can dominate and want
> >>>>> all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree
=
to
> >>>>> take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
> >>>>> charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800)..
no=
t
> >>>>> cheap. .. but it includes
> >>>>> the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year
for=
a
> >>>>> while... =A0 combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up
paying
> >>>>> quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one...
=
=A0you
> >>>>> can look the retai price up on the seimens site. =A0(a tad udner
7k=
).
> >>>>> if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
> >>>>> if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to
penetr=
ate
> >>>>> with SE sycnh, I think you could
> >>>>> cut an even better deal... =A0they also offer a 30 day free
trial..=
.. my
> >>>>> intro package i got at first =A0had a 60 day limit on it.
> >>>>> =A0 My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes
ou=
t in
> >>>>> two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in
the
> >>>>> market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of
the=
se
> >>>>> companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
> >>>>> My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
> >>>>> all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably
go
> >>>>> up. =A0 =A0IF it performs. =A0 they said they would not be
releasin=
g SE
> >>>>> synch as kernels into other mfgrs
> >>>>> software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take
5=
or
> >>>>> 10 years for the competition to catch up.
> >>>>> I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their
kille=
r
> >>>>> 3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. =A0I
d=
ont
> >>>>> know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site,
yo=
u
> >>>>> can see a demo.
> >>>>> Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card....
(eba=
y
> >>>>> deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
> >>>>> than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, =A0AMD laptop with ATI
card.....
> >>>>> maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know.
=A0(=
intel
> >>>>> now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by =A02009
or
> >>>>> 10).. =A0If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
> >>>>> card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
> >>>>> well.
> >>>>> Phil scott
> >>>> Phil - I just wanted to mention that I talked to my SE var today
abo=
ut
> >>>> this deal. =A0According to him, it's only available for SolidWorks
u=
sers.
> >>>> =A0 He was very surprised when I mentioned that I knew an Inventor
u=
ser
> >>>> who had been offered it. =A0He thought perhaps your var was either
f=
udging
> >>>> it or had gotten approval from Siemens. =A0He's going to look into
g=
etting
> >>>> approval for my package, but wasn't too optimistic.
> >>>> We'll see. =A0If they approve, then I'll probably go for it.
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> >>> It may be that those in charge of the SE roll out are not entirely
> >>> familiar with the cad environment and have made
> >>> a few decisions that reflect that... discussing the issue up lines
> >>> with the pro's at SE cor****ate has gotten such
> >>> decisions reversed in my case.. also that i drop IV instantly and
> >>> switch to SE over night in order to get the deal... wiser heads
> >>> understood and the situation was fixed.
> >>> Phil scott
> >> Phil, =A0I tried emailing you but I'm not sure you got it. =A0If not,
=
could
> >> you email me at pkel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=A0I have a question I would like
t=
o
> >> ask concerning this.
>
> >> Thanks, -Pat- Hide quoted text -
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> > I dont use that email address, its only for posting. =A0 =A0On google
y=
our
> > email address is masked to avoid spam.. only a partial shows up. =A0
if
> > you can type it with 'dot' in the middle google will not recognize it
> > and I can read it and respond...
>
> > Phil scott
>
> Ok - I didn't realize google did that. =A0Good though.
>
> You can reach me at pkelecydotgmail.com =A0(of course dot=3D@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
).
=A0Thanks=
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Hi Pat, I sent you an email, what you are looking for I believe.
Phil scott
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