phil scott wrote:
> On Aug 12, 3:32 pm, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> phil scott wrote:
>>> On Aug 10, 11:08 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> phil scott wrote:
>>>>> the new laptop dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration, meantime i
>>>>> was wondering why things were so difficult.
>>>>> the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you had
any
>>>>> sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke crack
>>>>> or anything, it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its a good
>>>>> machine. as it turns out so far not much faster than my 500
dollar
>>>>> compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
>>>>> also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont enlarge
>>>>> either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them you
need
>>>>> to see. Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual menu's
and
>>>>> 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'.. its
now
>>>>> readable. without the nonglare screen, it would be even more
>>>>> readable.
>>>>> Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot of
>>>>> high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar compaq
>>>>> has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. (Dell uses intel)
>>>>> be sure to get the glossy screen.. street prices on ebay are
about
>>>>> half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. .. it
came
>>>>> in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
>>>>> etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. saved me 1500
>>>>> bucks.
>>>>> i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all that
>>>>> mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... i also got a
>>>>> wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the pen
>>>>> makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you can
>>>>> get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
>>>>> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be about
>>>>> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy... the
>>>>> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic time
>>>>> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
>>>>> if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..'
listen,
>>>>> look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on the
>>>>> recording.
>>>>> for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and having to
>>>>> remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
>>>>> the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
>>>>> August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release'
date..
>>>>> so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it in
>>>>> the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more
last
>>>>> miinute tweeks...
>>>>> . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
>>>>> Phil scott
>>>> Phil, Sorry if this is a bit off topic. In an earlier post you
>>>> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. What was it, if you
don't
>>>> mind me asking?
>>>> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in allowance
on
>>>> your existing CAD package. If so, I might in interest in that, if
still
>>>> available. I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not quite
>>>> doing the job.
>>>> Thanks for any info on this. I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide quoted text
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>>> its probably still available to those currently running SW, Inventor,
>>> and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the factory
>>> though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its new to
>>> them.
>>> .. they need to
>>> see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to speak....
>>> the feeling i got was
>>> that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming out
>>> they think they can dominate and want
>>> all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree to
>>> take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
>>> charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800).. not
>>> cheap. .. but it includes
>>> the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year for a
>>> while... combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up paying
>>> quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one... you
>>> can look the retai price up on the seimens site. (a tad udner 7k).
>>> if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
>>> if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to penetrate
>>> with SE sycnh, I think you could
>>> cut an even better deal... they also offer a 30 day free trial... my
>>> intro package i got at first had a 60 day limit on it.
>>> My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes out in
>>> two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in the
>>> market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of these
>>> companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
>>> My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
>>> all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably go
>>> up. IF it performs. they said they would not be releasing SE
>>> synch as kernels into other mfgrs
>>> software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take 5 or
>>> 10 years for the competition to catch up.
>>> I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their killer
>>> 3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. I dont
>>> know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site, you
>>> can see a demo.
>>> Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card.... (ebay
>>> deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
>>> than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, AMD laptop with ATI card.....
>>> maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know. (intel
>>> now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by 2009 or
>>> 10).. If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
>>> card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
>>> well.
>>> Phil scott
>> Phil - I just wanted to mention that I talked to my SE var today about
>> this deal. According to him, it's only available for SolidWorks users.
>> He was very surprised when I mentioned that I knew an Inventor user
>> who had been offered it. He thought perhaps your var was either
fudging
>> it or had gotten approval from Siemens. He's going to look into
getting
>> approval for my package, but wasn't too optimistic.
>>
>> We'll see. If they approve, then I'll probably go for it.
>>
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>
> It may be that those in charge of the SE roll out are not entirely
> familiar with the cad environment and have made
> a few decisions that reflect that... discussing the issue up lines
> with the pro's at SE cor****ate has gotten such
> decisions reversed in my case.. also that i drop IV instantly and
> switch to SE over night in order to get the deal... wiser heads
> understood and the situation was fixed.
>
> Phil scott
Phil, I tried emailing you but I'm not sure you got it. If not, could
you email me at pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a question I would like to
ask concerning this.
Thanks, -Pat
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