On Aug 12, 3:32=A0pm, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> phil scott wrote:
> > On Aug 10, 11:08 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> phil scott wrote:
> >>> the new laptop =A0dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration, meantime
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i
> >>> was wondering why things were so difficult.
> >>> the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you had
an=
y
> >>> sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke crack
> >>> or anything, =A0it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its a
goo=
d
> >>> machine. =A0 =A0as it turns out so far not much faster than my 500
do=
llar
> >>> compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
> >>> also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont enlarge
> >>> either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them you
nee=
d
> >>> to see. =A0Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual menu's
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nd
> >>> 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'.. its
now
> >>> readable. =A0 =A0without the nonglare screen, it would be even more
> >>> readable.
> >>> Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot of
> >>> high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar compaq
> >>> has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. =A0(Dell uses intel)
> >>> be sure to get the glossy screen.. =A0 =A0street prices on ebay are
a=
bout
> >>> half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. =A0.. it
c=
ame
> >>> in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
> >>> etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. =A0 =A0saved me
1=
500
> >>> bucks.
> >>> i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all that
> >>> mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... =A0 i also got a
> >>> wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the pen
> >>> makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you can
> >>> get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
> >>> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be about
> >>> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy... the
> >>> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic time
> >>> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
> >>> if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..'
listen=
,
> >>> look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on the
> >>> recording.
> >>> for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and having to
> >>> remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
> >>> the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
> >>> August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release'
date.=
..
> >>> so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it in
> >>> the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more
last
> >>> miinute tweeks...
> >>> . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
> >>> Phil scott
> >> Phil, =A0Sorry if this is a bit off topic. =A0In an earlier post you
> >> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. =A0What was it, if you
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on't
> >> mind me asking?
>
> >> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in allowance
on
> >> your existing CAD package. =A0If so, I might in interest in that, if
s=
till
> >> available. =A0I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not
quite
> >> doing the job.
>
> >> Thanks for any info on this. =A0I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide quoted
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> > its probably still available to those currently running SW, Inventor,
> > and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the factory
> > though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its new to
> > them.
>
> > .. they need to
> > see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to speak....
> > the feeling i got was
> > that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming out
> > they think they can dominate and want
> > all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree to
> > take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
> > charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800).. not
> > cheap. .. but it includes
> > the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year for a
> > while... =A0 combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up paying
> > quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one...
=A0yo=
u
> > can look the retai price up on the seimens site. =A0(a tad udner 7k).
>
> > if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
>
> > if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to penetrate
> > with SE sycnh, I think you could
> > cut an even better deal... =A0they also offer a 30 day free trial...
my
> > intro package i got at first =A0had a 60 day limit on it.
>
> > =A0 My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes out
in
> > two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in the
> > market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of these
> > companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
>
> > My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
> > all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably go
> > up. =A0 =A0IF it performs. =A0 they said they would not be releasing
SE
> > synch as kernels into other mfgrs
> > software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take 5 or
> > 10 years for the competition to catch up.
>
> > I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their killer
> > 3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. =A0I dont
> > know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site, you
> > can see a demo.
>
> > Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card.... (ebay
> > deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
> > than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, =A0AMD laptop with ATI card.....
> > maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know.
=A0(inte=
l
> > now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by =A02009 or
> > 10).. =A0If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
> > card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
> > well.
>
> > Phil scott
>
> Phil - I just wanted to mention that I talked to my SE var today about
> this deal. =A0According to him, it's only available for SolidWorks
users.
> =A0 He was very surprised when I mentioned that I knew an Inventor user
> who had been offered it. =A0He thought perhaps your var was either
fudgin=
g
> it or had gotten approval from Siemens. =A0He's going to look into
gettin=
g
> approval for my package, but wasn't too optimistic.
>
> We'll see. =A0If they approve, then I'll probably go for it.
>
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It may be that those in charge of the SE roll out are not entirely
familiar with the cad environment and have made
a few decisions that reflect that... discussing the issue up lines
with the pro's at SE cor****ate has gotten such
decisions reversed in my case.. also that i drop IV instantly and
switch to SE over night in order to get the deal... wiser heads
understood and the situation was fixed.
Phil scott
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