On Aug 11, 9:58=A0am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Bo wrote:
> > On Aug 11, 4:38 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> Bo wrote:
> >>> On Aug 10, 2:32 pm, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> phil scott wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 10, 11:08 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>>> phil scott wrote:
> >>>>>>> the new laptop =A0dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration,
meant=
ime i
> >>>>>>> was wondering why things were so difficult.
> >>>>>>> the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you
ha=
d any
> >>>>>>> sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke
cr=
ack
> >>>>>>> or anything, =A0it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its
a=
good
> >>>>>>> machine. =A0 =A0as it turns out so far not much faster than my
50=
0 dollar
> >>>>>>> compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
> >>>>>>> also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont
enlarge
> >>>>>>> either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them
you=
need
> >>>>>>> to see. =A0Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual
menu=
's and
> >>>>>>> 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'..
its=
now
> >>>>>>> readable. =A0 =A0without the nonglare screen, it would be even
mo=
re
> >>>>>>> readable.
> >>>>>>> Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot
o=
f
> >>>>>>> high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar
com=
paq
> >>>>>>> has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. =A0(Dell uses
intel=
)
> >>>>>>> be sure to get the glossy screen.. =A0 =A0street prices on ebay
a=
re about
> >>>>>>> half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. =A0..
=
it came
> >>>>>>> in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
> >>>>>>> etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. =A0 =A0saved
=
me 1500
> >>>>>>> bucks.
> >>>>>>> i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all
that
> >>>>>>> mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... =A0 i also
go=
t a
> >>>>>>> wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the
pe=
n
> >>>>>>> makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you
c=
an
> >>>>>>> get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
> >>>>>>> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be
ab=
out
> >>>>>>> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy...
th=
e
> >>>>>>> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic
t=
ime
> >>>>>>> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
> >>>>>>> if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..'
li=
sten,
> >>>>>>> look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on
the
> >>>>>>> recording.
> >>>>>>> for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and
having=
to
> >>>>>>> remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
> >>>>>>> the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
> >>>>>>> August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release'
d=
ate..
> >>>>>>> so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it
=
in
> >>>>>>> the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more
=
last
> >>>>>>> miinute tweeks...
> >>>>>>> . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
> >>>>>>> Phil scott
> >>>>>> Phil, =A0Sorry if this is a bit off topic. =A0In an earlier post
y=
ou
> >>>>>> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. =A0What was it, if
y=
ou don't
> >>>>>> mind me asking?
> >>>>>> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in
allowanc=
e on
> >>>>>> your existing CAD package. =A0If so, I might in interest in that,
=
if still
> >>>>>> available. =A0I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not
q=
uite
> >>>>>> doing the job.
> >>>>>> Thanks for any info on this. =A0I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide
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text -
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>> its probably still available to those currently running SW,
Invento=
r,
> >>>>> and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the
factory
> >>>>> though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its
new=
to
> >>>>> them.
> >>>>> .. they need to
> >>>>> see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to
speak....
> >>>>> the feeling i got was
> >>>>> that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming
out
> >>>>> they think they can dominate and want
> >>>>> all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree
=
to
> >>>>> take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
> >>>>> charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800)..
no=
t
> >>>>> cheap. .. but it includes
> >>>>> the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year
for=
a
> >>>>> while... =A0 combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up
paying
> >>>>> quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one...
=
=A0you
> >>>>> can look the retai price up on the seimens site. =A0(a tad udner
7k=
).
> >>>>> if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
> >>>>> if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to
penetr=
ate
> >>>>> with SE sycnh, I think you could
> >>>>> cut an even better deal... =A0they also offer a 30 day free
trial..=
.. my
> >>>>> intro package i got at first =A0had a 60 day limit on it.
> >>>>> =A0 My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes
ou=
t in
> >>>>> two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in
the
> >>>>> market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of
the=
se
> >>>>> companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
> >>>>> My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
> >>>>> all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably
go
> >>>>> up. =A0 =A0IF it performs. =A0 they said they would not be
releasin=
g SE
> >>>>> synch as kernels into other mfgrs
> >>>>> software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take
5=
or
> >>>>> 10 years for the competition to catch up.
> >>>>> I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their
kille=
r
> >>>>> 3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. =A0I
d=
ont
> >>>>> know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site,
yo=
u
> >>>>> can see a demo.
> >>>>> Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card....
(eba=
y
> >>>>> deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
> >>>>> than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, =A0AMD laptop with ATI
card.....
> >>>>> maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know.
=A0(=
intel
> >>>>> now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by =A02009
or
> >>>>> 10).. =A0If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
> >>>>> card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
> >>>>> well.
> >>>>> Phil scott
> >>>>> i shouldnt nemtion numbers, see your VAR
> >>>> Phil, thanks for the info.
> >>>> So if my CAD package qualifies, it does indeed sound like a good
dea=
l.
> >>>> I guess the first question though is whether my CAD package will
> >>>> qualify. =A0I'm currently running Ashlar-Vellum Cobalt v8 (the most
> >>>> current version). =A0 It's not real common (more so on the Mac
platf=
orm)
> >>>> but it's a $5400 package nonetheless. =A0So it's priced in the same
=
range
> >>>> as SW, Inventor and other mid-range products. =A0I actually like it
=
pretty
> >>>> well, but the current version is pretty buggy, and it's sup****t of
> >>>> constraints is weak. For the type of MCAD work I do, I think a SW
or=
SE
> >>>> type product would help me more. I was originally leaning towards
SW=
,
> >>>> but if I can get this deal I may reconsider (or at least arrange
for=
a
> >>>> trial). =A0Do you know if there is a list somewhere of what
packages=
do
> >>>> qualify?
> >>>> Pat
> >>> I am going to want to se SEdge running on a MacBook Pro. =A0I don't
w=
ant
> >>> to run 2 machines anymore.
> >>> Bo
> >> I doubt they have a native version, but you should be able to run it
> >> under bootcamp (dual boot to Windows XP) or (better yet) a Parallels
o=
r
> >> VMware VM.
>
> >> Pat
>
> > Yup, run SWks under both modes, but SE also runs native on OSX 10.5 as
> > I understand it, with Apple having been the first beta user.
>
> Is that right - a native version? =A0Wow, I would never have guessed,
but
> that's great if so. =A0That was one of the things I liked about Cobalt
> (that it's sup****ted on both platforms). =A0Glad to see other vendors
are
> giving it serious consideration (choice is always good!).
>
> Pat
Siemans Unigraphics NX & SolidEdge both sup****t Windows, UNIX, Linux,
OSX if I remember right.
Now all we need is SolidWorks!
I REALLY do NOT want to move to another CAD package unless I get
pushed.
I hate babying Windows to make sure it works (just SolidWorks and
MSOffice and NOTHING else). I have had over a half dozen friends
using Windows (with 2 in the last month) who simply were fed up and
went out and bought the low end Mac Books, and they both admitted they
should have done it years ago. The last guy converted after Win XP
simply refused to log onto WiFi networks no matter what he did.
Bo
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