Bo wrote:
> On Aug 11, 4:38 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Bo wrote:
>>> On Aug 10, 2:32 pm, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> phil scott wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 10, 11:08 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> phil scott wrote:
>>>>>>> the new laptop dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration, meantime
i
>>>>>>> was wondering why things were so difficult.
>>>>>>> the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you had
any
>>>>>>> sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke
crack
>>>>>>> or anything, it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its a
good
>>>>>>> machine. as it turns out so far not much faster than my 500
dollar
>>>>>>> compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
>>>>>>> also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont enlarge
>>>>>>> either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them you
need
>>>>>>> to see. Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual menu's
and
>>>>>>> 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'.. its
now
>>>>>>> readable. without the nonglare screen, it would be even more
>>>>>>> readable.
>>>>>>> Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot of
>>>>>>> high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar
compaq
>>>>>>> has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. (Dell uses intel)
>>>>>>> be sure to get the glossy screen.. street prices on ebay are
about
>>>>>>> half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. .. it
came
>>>>>>> in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
>>>>>>> etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. saved me
1500
>>>>>>> bucks.
>>>>>>> i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all that
>>>>>>> mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... i also got a
>>>>>>> wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the pen
>>>>>>> makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you
can
>>>>>>> get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
>>>>>>> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be
about
>>>>>>> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy... the
>>>>>>> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic
time
>>>>>>> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
>>>>>>> if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..'
listen,
>>>>>>> look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on the
>>>>>>> recording.
>>>>>>> for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and having
to
>>>>>>> remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
>>>>>>> the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
>>>>>>> August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release'
date..
>>>>>>> so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it
in
>>>>>>> the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more
last
>>>>>>> miinute tweeks...
>>>>>>> . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
>>>>>>> Phil scott
>>>>>> Phil, Sorry if this is a bit off topic. In an earlier post you
>>>>>> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. What was it, if you
don't
>>>>>> mind me asking?
>>>>>> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in allowance
on
>>>>>> your existing CAD package. If so, I might in interest in that, if
still
>>>>>> available. I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not
quite
>>>>>> doing the job.
>>>>>> Thanks for any info on this. I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide quoted
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>>>>> its probably still available to those currently running SW,
Inventor,
>>>>> and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the factory
>>>>> though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its new
to
>>>>> them.
>>>>> .. they need to
>>>>> see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to speak....
>>>>> the feeling i got was
>>>>> that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming out
>>>>> they think they can dominate and want
>>>>> all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree
to
>>>>> take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
>>>>> charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800).. not
>>>>> cheap. .. but it includes
>>>>> the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year for
a
>>>>> while... combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up paying
>>>>> quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one...
you
>>>>> can look the retai price up on the seimens site. (a tad udner 7k).
>>>>> if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
>>>>> if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to
penetrate
>>>>> with SE sycnh, I think you could
>>>>> cut an even better deal... they also offer a 30 day free trial...
my
>>>>> intro package i got at first had a 60 day limit on it.
>>>>> My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes out
in
>>>>> two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in the
>>>>> market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of
these
>>>>> companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
>>>>> My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
>>>>> all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably go
>>>>> up. IF it performs. they said they would not be releasing SE
>>>>> synch as kernels into other mfgrs
>>>>> software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take 5
or
>>>>> 10 years for the competition to catch up.
>>>>> I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their killer
>>>>> 3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. I dont
>>>>> know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site, you
>>>>> can see a demo.
>>>>> Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card.... (ebay
>>>>> deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
>>>>> than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, AMD laptop with ATI card.....
>>>>> maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know.
(intel
>>>>> now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by 2009 or
>>>>> 10).. If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
>>>>> card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
>>>>> well.
>>>>> Phil scott
>>>>> i shouldnt nemtion numbers, see your VAR
>>>> Phil, thanks for the info.
>>>> So if my CAD package qualifies, it does indeed sound like a good
deal.
>>>> I guess the first question though is whether my CAD package will
>>>> qualify. I'm currently running Ashlar-Vellum Cobalt v8 (the most
>>>> current version). It's not real common (more so on the Mac
platform)
>>>> but it's a $5400 package nonetheless. So it's priced in the same
range
>>>> as SW, Inventor and other mid-range products. I actually like it
pretty
>>>> well, but the current version is pretty buggy, and it's sup****t of
>>>> constraints is weak. For the type of MCAD work I do, I think a SW or
SE
>>>> type product would help me more. I was originally leaning towards SW,
>>>> but if I can get this deal I may reconsider (or at least arrange for
a
>>>> trial). Do you know if there is a list somewhere of what packages do
>>>> qualify?
>>>> Pat
>>> I am going to want to se SEdge running on a MacBook Pro. I don't want
>>> to run 2 machines anymore.
>>> Bo
>> I doubt they have a native version, but you should be able to run it
>> under bootcamp (dual boot to Windows XP) or (better yet) a Parallels or
>> VMware VM.
>>
>> Pat
>
> Yup, run SWks under both modes, but SE also runs native on OSX 10.5 as
> I understand it, with Apple having been the first beta user.
Is that right - a native version? Wow, I would never have guessed, but
that's great if so. That was one of the things I liked about Cobalt
(that it's sup****ted on both platforms). Glad to see other vendors are
giving it serious consideration (choice is always good!).
Pat
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