On Aug 11, 4:38=A0am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Bo wrote:
> > On Aug 10, 2:32 pm, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> phil scott wrote:
> >>> On Aug 10, 11:08 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> phil scott wrote:
> >>>>> the new laptop =A0dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration,
meantim=
e i
> >>>>> was wondering why things were so difficult.
> >>>>> the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you had
=
any
> >>>>> sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke
crac=
k
> >>>>> or anything, =A0it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its a
g=
ood
> >>>>> machine. =A0 =A0as it turns out so far not much faster than my 500
=
dollar
> >>>>> compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
> >>>>> also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont enlarge
> >>>>> either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them you
n=
eed
> >>>>> to see. =A0Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual
menu's=
and
> >>>>> 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'.. its
n=
ow
> >>>>> readable. =A0 =A0without the nonglare screen, it would be even
more
> >>>>> readable.
> >>>>> Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot of
> >>>>> high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar
compa=
q
> >>>>> has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. =A0(Dell uses intel)
> >>>>> be sure to get the glossy screen.. =A0 =A0street prices on ebay
are=
about
> >>>>> half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. =A0..
it=
came
> >>>>> in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
> >>>>> etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. =A0 =A0saved
me=
1500
> >>>>> bucks.
> >>>>> i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all that
> >>>>> mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... =A0 i also got
=
a
> >>>>> wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the pen
> >>>>> makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you
can
> >>>>> get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
> >>>>> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be
abou=
t
> >>>>> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy... the
> >>>>> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic
tim=
e
> >>>>> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
> >>>>> if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..'
list=
en,
> >>>>> look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on the
> >>>>> recording.
> >>>>> for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and having
t=
o
> >>>>> remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
> >>>>> the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
> >>>>> August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release'
dat=
e..
> >>>>> so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it
in
> >>>>> the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more
la=
st
> >>>>> miinute tweeks...
> >>>>> . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
> >>>>> Phil scott
> >>>> Phil, =A0Sorry if this is a bit off topic. =A0In an earlier post
you
> >>>> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. =A0What was it, if
you=
don't
> >>>> mind me asking?
> >>>> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in allowance
=
on
> >>>> your existing CAD package. =A0If so, I might in interest in that,
if=
still
> >>>> available. =A0I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not
qui=
te
> >>>> doing the job.
> >>>> Thanks for any info on this. =A0I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide quoted
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ext -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> its probably still available to those currently running SW,
Inventor,
> >>> and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the factory
> >>> though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its new
t=
o
> >>> them.
> >>> .. they need to
> >>> see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to speak....
> >>> the feeling i got was
> >>> that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming out
> >>> they think they can dominate and want
> >>> all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree
to
> >>> take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
> >>> charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800).. not
> >>> cheap. .. but it includes
> >>> the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year for
a
> >>> while... =A0 combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up paying
> >>> quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one...
=A0=
you
> >>> can look the retai price up on the seimens site. =A0(a tad udner
7k).
> >>> if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
> >>> if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to
penetrat=
e
> >>> with SE sycnh, I think you could
> >>> cut an even better deal... =A0they also offer a 30 day free trial...
=
my
> >>> intro package i got at first =A0had a 60 day limit on it.
> >>> =A0 My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes out
=
in
> >>> two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in the
> >>> market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of
these
> >>> companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
> >>> My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
> >>> all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably go
> >>> up. =A0 =A0IF it performs. =A0 they said they would not be releasing
=
SE
> >>> synch as kernels into other mfgrs
> >>> software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take 5
o=
r
> >>> 10 years for the competition to catch up.
> >>> I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their killer
> >>> 3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. =A0I
don=
t
> >>> know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site, you
> >>> can see a demo.
> >>> Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card.... (ebay
> >>> deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
> >>> than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, =A0AMD laptop with ATI card.....
> >>> maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know.
=A0(in=
tel
> >>> now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by =A02009 or
> >>> 10).. =A0If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
> >>> card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
> >>> well.
> >>> Phil scott
> >>> i shouldnt nemtion numbers, see your VAR
> >> Phil, thanks for the info.
>
> >> So if my CAD package qualifies, it does indeed sound like a good
deal.
>
> >> I guess the first question though is whether my CAD package will
> >> qualify. =A0I'm currently running Ashlar-Vellum Cobalt v8 (the most
> >> current version). =A0 It's not real common (more so on the Mac
platfor=
m)
> >> but it's a $5400 package nonetheless. =A0So it's priced in the same
ra=
nge
> >> as SW, Inventor and other mid-range products. =A0I actually like it
pr=
etty
> >> well, but the current version is pretty buggy, and it's sup****t of
> >> constraints is weak. For the type of MCAD work I do, I think a SW or
S=
E
> >> type product would help me more. I was originally leaning towards SW,
> >> but if I can get this deal I may reconsider (or at least arrange for
a
> >> trial). =A0Do you know if there is a list somewhere of what packages
d=
o
> >> qualify?
>
> >> Pat
>
> > I am going to want to se SEdge running on a MacBook Pro. =A0I don't
wan=
t
> > to run 2 machines anymore.
>
> > Bo
>
> I doubt they have a native version, but you should be able to run it
> under bootcamp (dual boot to Windows XP) or (better yet) a Parallels or
> VMware VM.
>
> Pat
Yup, run SWks under both modes, but SE also runs native on OSX 10.5 as
I understand it, with Apple having been the first beta user.
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