phil scott wrote:
> On Aug 10, 11:08 am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> phil scott wrote:
>>> the new laptop dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration, meantime i
>>> was wondering why things were so difficult.
>>> the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you had any
>>> sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke crack
>>> or anything, it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its a good
>>> machine. as it turns out so far not much faster than my 500 dollar
>>> compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
>>> also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont enlarge
>>> either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them you need
>>> to see. Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual menu's and
>>> 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'.. its now
>>> readable. without the nonglare screen, it would be even more
>>> readable.
>>> Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot of
>>> high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar compaq
>>> has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. (Dell uses intel)
>>> be sure to get the glossy screen.. street prices on ebay are about
>>> half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. .. it came
>>> in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
>>> etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. saved me 1500
>>> bucks.
>>> i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all that
>>> mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... i also got a
>>> wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the pen
>>> makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you can
>>> get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
>>> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be about
>>> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy... the
>>> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic time
>>> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
>>> if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..' listen,
>>> look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on the
>>> recording.
>>> for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and having to
>>> remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
>>> the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
>>> August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release' date..
>>> so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it in
>>> the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more last
>>> miinute tweeks...
>>> . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
>>> Phil scott
>> Phil, Sorry if this is a bit off topic. In an earlier post you
>> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. What was it, if you
don't
>> mind me asking?
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>> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in allowance on
>> your existing CAD package. If so, I might in interest in that, if
still
>> available. I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not quite
>> doing the job.
>>
>> Thanks for any info on this. I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide quoted text -
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> its probably still available to those currently running SW, Inventor,
> and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the factory
> though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its new to
> them.
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> .. they need to
> see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to speak....
> the feeling i got was
> that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming out
> they think they can dominate and want
> all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree to
> take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
> charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800).. not
> cheap. .. but it includes
> the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year for a
> while... combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up paying
> quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one... you
> can look the retai price up on the seimens site. (a tad udner 7k).
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> if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
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> if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to penetrate
> with SE sycnh, I think you could
> cut an even better deal... they also offer a 30 day free trial... my
> intro package i got at first had a 60 day limit on it.
>
> My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes out in
> two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in the
> market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of these
> companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
>
> My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
> all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably go
> up. IF it performs. they said they would not be releasing SE
> synch as kernels into other mfgrs
> software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take 5 or
> 10 years for the competition to catch up.
>
> I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their killer
> 3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. I dont
> know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site, you
> can see a demo.
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> Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card.... (ebay
> deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
> than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, AMD laptop with ATI card.....
> maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know. (intel
> now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by 2009 or
> 10).. If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
> card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
> well.
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> i shouldnt nemtion numbers, see your VAR
Phil, thanks for the info.
So if my CAD package qualifies, it does indeed sound like a good deal.
I guess the first question though is whether my CAD package will
qualify. I'm currently running Ashlar-Vellum Cobalt v8 (the most
current version). It's not real common (more so on the Mac platform)
but it's a $5400 package nonetheless. So it's priced in the same range
as SW, Inventor and other mid-range products. I actually like it pretty
well, but the current version is pretty buggy, and it's sup****t of
constraints is weak. For the type of MCAD work I do, I think a SW or SE
type product would help me more. I was originally leaning towards SW,
but if I can get this deal I may reconsider (or at least arrange for a
trial). Do you know if there is a list somewhere of what packages do
qualify?
Pat
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