On Aug 10, 11:08=A0am, Pat <pkelecy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> phil scott wrote:
> > the new laptop =A0dell m6300 needed a lot of configuration, meantime i
> > was wondering why things were so difficult.
>
> > the mouse pad did a click at the faintest touch.... and if you had any
> > sticky on yer fingers from drinking beer while you type, smoke crack
> > or anything, =A0it went into total glitch mode... otherwise its a good
> > machine. =A0 =A0as it turns out so far not much faster than my 500
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> > compaq... and it has a non glare screen... dullllll...
>
> > also the high res screen makes the icons small, some dont enlarge
> > either.. some of those were 1/8" square with graphics in them you need
> > to see. =A0Fix was going to larger type but not on the usual menu's
and
> > 'sharp type'..back to high res screen, then 'large buttons'.. its now
> > readable. =A0 =A0without the nonglare screen, it would be even more
> > readable.
>
> > Intel may well be slower than AMD for graphics...I notice a lot of
> > high end cad machines use AMD with ATI cards... my 500 dollar compaq
> > has that set up.. its not slow on cad at all. =A0(Dell uses intel)
>
> > be sure to get the glossy screen.. =A0 =A0street prices on ebay are
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> > half list price... looks like custom orders not picked up. =A0.. it
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> > in a dell factory box, with all factory docs and original lables
> > etc... quality merchandize but not to order is all. =A0 =A0saved me
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> > bucks.
>
> > i got a 17" second monitor, touch screen..that will save all that
> > mousing around and aiming the little arrow thang... =A0 i also got a
> > wacom intuos 3 tablet.. (high res graphics pad)..that with the pen
> > makes a great mouse hopefully, it has buttons on the pen... you can
> > get those new on ebay in the 160 dollar range.
>
> > SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be about
> > 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy... the
> > tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic time
> > consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
>
> > if I ever do a training course it would be mostly narrative..' listen,
> > look at the screen, and do'...with a wireless pause button on the
> > recording.
>
> > for us old farts taking your eyes away from the screen and having to
> > remember what was typed in the tutorial slows things up a lot.
>
> > the latest semi inside info on the synchronous release is mid
> > August.... it goes to production..thats the tennative 'release' date..
> > so it would be late august before its manufactured and we get it in
> > the mail.... my guess is september....I think there will be more last
> > miinute tweeks...
>
> > . I will probably slide my first synch class to Oct or Nov.
>
> > Phil scott
>
> Phil, =A0Sorry if this is a bit off topic. =A0In an earlier post you
> mentioned that you got a "killer deal" on SE. =A0What was it, if you
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> mind me asking?
>
> It sounded like Siemens offered you some sort of trade-in allowance on
> your existing CAD package. =A0If so, I might in interest in that, if
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> available. =A0I have a package I'm currently using, but it's not quite
> doing the job.
>
> Thanks for any info on this. =A0I appreciate it. -Pat- Hide quoted text
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its probably still available to those currently running SW, Inventor,
and half a dozen others in that range, they had to call the factory
though to see if they would upgrade against IV for me... so its new to
them.
=2E. they need to
see the discs is all... not yer entire life history so to speak....
the feeling i got was
that they want you on SE, and with the new synch package coming out
they think they can dominate and want
all the leverage they can get at the start... you do have to agree to
take the maintenance service in writing, they didnt specify the
charge, its probably between 1500 and 1800 a year (IV is 1800).. not
cheap. .. but it includes
the new revisions, and there will no doubt be one or two a year for a
while... combined with the 'upgrade discount' you end up paying
quite a bit less than half the retail price for SE in year one... you
can look the retai price up on the seimens site. (a tad udner 7k).
if your var wont cut a deal, check around.
if you work in or operate a larger company that they want to penetrate
with SE sycnh, I think you could
cut an even better deal... they also offer a 30 day free trial... my
intro package i got at first had a 60 day limit on it.
My guess it will last for sure until the synch package comes out in
two or three weeks, then if synch is not a run away hot item in the
market, the deal would last longer.... even after that, many of these
companies offer upgrade deals against the competition...
My guess though, if it works well, there will be no deals at
all..maybe in a year or two...and the retail price will probably go
up. IF it performs. they said they would not be releasing SE
synch as kernels into other mfgrs
software, they would keep that propretary..they said it will take 5 or
10 years for the competition to catch up.
I did notice though that they are selling other vendors their killer
3D 'shape' search feature though..thats impressive as hell.. I dont
know why they would do that but they are, its on thier web site, you
can see a demo.
Btw they recomended Dells M6300 laptop with 512 nVida card.... (ebay
deals are about half list) its not any faster or maybe even slower
than my cheapo, 2 year old compaq, AMD laptop with ATI card.....
maybe the M6300 is needed for the synch features, i dont know. (intel
now promises better architecture for vector graphics..by 2009 or
10).. If i wanted the hottest set up it would be amd with ati
card. .. even a cheaper laptop with those features might work real
well.
Phil scott
i shouldnt nemtion numbers, see your VAR
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