Re: Solid edge .. progress... new laptop

On Aug 7, 8:23=A0am, Cliff <Clhupr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:17:35 -0700 (PDT), phil scott <p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >On Aug 6, 8:34=A0am, Cliff <Clhupr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 07:30:36 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
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> >> >On Aug 6, 3:44=A0am, tnik <kortjes...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> Cliff wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:39:01 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
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> >> >> >> SE after about 50 hours of doing its tutorials turns out to be
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> >> >> >> 1/5th as difficult to learn as Inventor, but still not easy...
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> >> >> >> tutorials are excellent but still there must be a less pedantic
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> >> >> >> consuming way to learn... a brain transplant or something.
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> >> >> > =A0 Read the technical manuals.
> >> >> > =A0 Do not ask jb for sup****t or clues.
> >> >> > =A0 Do not pass Go.
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> >> >> and of course, do not collect $200.. which is too bad, you could
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> >> >> that to go towards maintenance costs..
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> >> >what do you suppose maintenance costs might be?
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> >> >I asked at the intro event and they said that new versions would be
> >> >issued at no charge...
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> >> =A0 I doubt you got that in writing.
> >> =A0 Or you misunderstood or the salesdroid was really a newbie.
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> >I asked, they said 'no charge' for 'later releases'.. whch did not
> >actually answer the 'maintenance' issue. =A0I didnt get it in
> >writing...
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> >they did pause and glance around a bit before answering... the answer
> >was not elaborated..very brief. =A0'no'.
> >I asked though about the new versions sure to follow this new release,
> >if those would be charged for, =A0the answer from the VAR was 'no'...
> >but not elaborated.. no one in the audience of about 10 people pursued
> >the issue.
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> =A0 The maintenance fees will cover later releases. Pay the maintenance
> fee & you get them.
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> >My guess, the first few debugs to synch will be free... then
> >laterafter the first few waves of bugs are fixed =A0they will charge.
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> =A0 Probaby patches for the release you paid for as long as it's
> the latest release & just a patch will do (and you need it).
> =A0 Check the UGS Site for what's current.
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> =A0 And always read the release notes as your first item of business.
> =A0 Very handy.
> =A0 Install docs to if they exist. Also known issues & driver stuff.
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> >the do***ent I signed in order to get the intro price said very
> >plainly though that I agreed to 'maintenance, or maybe maintenance
> >*charges'... it did not indicate a charge amount involved... odd.
> >a contract is not valid unless it defines a sum or exchange.
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> >the discount on the software is exchange on their part, but with no
> >amount specified for the maintenance its an odd way to do a valid
> >contract.in the US at least... they also had a requirment that I cease
> >with IV instantly.. I informed them that no one in their right mind
> >who wished to keep operating would cease cold turkey with their old
> >system to move to a new one, especially a beta version... regardless
> >you still need to deal with old clients and ongong work on the
> >appropreate platform.
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> >they talked it over and agreed, then typed me up a new more reasonable
> >agreement =A0'that I would be phasing out IV as SE proved viable for my
> >operations'...I signed that.
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> >So far they are very helpful on the phone with no mention of a
> >charge...they just want my purchase ID number.
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> =A0 That's part of sup****t.
> =A0 Stuff jb never gets. Sort of like training, education & clues <G>.
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> >Phil scott
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> >> >makes sense for the firrst few in this case,
> >> >its going to be buggy most likely... I cant see them sending out new
> >> >versions though forever at no cost.
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> >> >Phil scott
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thanks...  that un fuzzes me quite a bit... not so hard paying
maintenance fees if it includes the later releases.

Phil scott