Re: I Don't Want A Machinist To Modify "My Part" / Why Would A Machinist Need To Modify A Customers Part?

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:52:45 -0400, tnik <kortjester@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>Gerald Abrahamson wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
>> <jon_banquer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> 
>>> In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>>> who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>>> world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>>> Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>>> worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>>> ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>>> in order to make it.
>> 
>> I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
>> 
>> That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
>> 
>> And real machinists make the parts per the print.
>> 
>> You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
>> 
>> If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose
>> (outside print specifications), you would not get paid due
>> to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop
>> coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
>> 
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>
>
>I agree 100%
>
>Many a times we look at a print and say to ourselves 'WTF?' but to cover 
>our own *****, we make it to print. now, if its not possible, we go back 
>to the customer and ask, but we NEVER change a customers print/part 
>without having prior written consent..

Jon doesn't really change customer files he simply lied about his job
to sup****t a point he was trying to make in his CAD/CAM Jihad-De-Dour.
Of course you can correct me if I am wrong here Jon by responding to
this:

[
 http://3dcadnews.blog.com/3037206/
I'm a CNC machinist/CNC programmer and it's quite common for us to be
asked or just expected to modify customers files to help make them
manufacturable/ manufacturable at a more reasonable cost. No one wants
to pay us for lots of hours to figure out their design intent and more
and more customers want the manufactured model to match the designed
model. 
] -Jon Banquer-

[
Engineers who don't upload current files to our Intranet.
] -Jon Banquer-

Wait a min. first you said you had to modify customer files, NOW you
say your company has an engineering department. 

What exactly does your engineering department do? 

[
Perhaps if you had to deal with this situation as often as I do it
might not be so funny as you tried to work with a low level tool like
a roll back bar stepping through a ton of features trying not to break
anything all the while knowing this was taking way too much time. 
] -Jon Banquer-

Now you have to OFTEN change customer files and determine their design
intent. So what exactly is your engineering department do while their
machinist is hacking and whacking controlled do***ents such as
customer supplied solids? 

[
So Jon, if your statements are true and you really do all of this
stuff, what exactly does your engineering department do? 
]-brewertr-

[
Many shops do, Brewer you're just too ignorant / dumb to understand
this. 
] -Jon Banquer

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING ALL OVER THE NET THESE PAST FEW
MONTHS JON.  You have been saying "YOU" have to do it. Now you are
changing your story (lie) because you let it slip that your company
has an engineering department. 

So Jon, if your statements are true, what exactly does your
engineering department do while you are trying to determine customer
design intent, hacking and whacking controlled do***ents otherwise
known as customers supplied models?

Tom