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Re: Machining Tips!

by Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 20, 2008 at 02:44 AM

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:37:19 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon <bd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

>>   You asked about fixture offsets.
>>   I could explain about the MCS & the WCS too.
>>   The "work offset" is a bit vague. See whatever 
>> docs for the specific program or machine/control 
>> claim. Then ask jb for some fine gibberish.
>
>There isn't any need to consult a machine manual. Anybody who
>actually has real hands on experience setting up a cnc machine or
>directly supervises those doing the setups knows the difference between
>fixture and work offsets. Obviously you, the self proclaimed guru 
>of all things cnc and cad/cam, are excluded.

  And what do they do differently?
  Don't confuse jb with things such as a CAM system WCS or an MCS.
Confine yourself to what YOUR stated "real hands on experience setting up
a cnc
machine" or "directly supervises those doing the setups" knows & uses.

  BTW:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22work+offset%22&btnG=Google+Search
  Oops .... so many DIFFERENT "uses" for the same term .... 

  wwwiutp.univ-poitiers.fr/COURS-DOCS/docu/NormesClfile/NormesClfile.pdf
  See "fixture offset".

HTH
-- 
Cliff
 




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"Kadaitcha Man"  2008-07-20 01:05:02 
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