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Re: Machining Tips!

by Black Dragon <bd@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 15, 2008 at 02:18 AM

Cliff wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:10:25 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon
<bd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:

>>Cliff wrote:

>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:27:36 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon
<bd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:

>>>>Why did you stop just for that one post? 

>>>>Inquiring minds (tinim) would love to know.

>>> Be a good boy & help poor clueless jb out with the basics of MasterCAM

>>Like I am, JB is a Mastercam user and both of us know the basics.

>   You may but he clearly does not. He's badly lacking in the basics,

Says someone who never used or even seen Mastercam in use. 

>>Unlike JB and I, you claim to know things about Mastercam without ever 
>>using, or even seeing the software being used. 

>   I know what a WCS is, as an example, & he does not.

You have yet to explain what the difference between a fixture offset and 
a work coordinate system is in a CNC control. Remember, you said Jon
didn't, implying you knew, but you failed to demonstrate any knowledge of 
such.

If you ever do manage to get a grasp on basics like that your criticisms 
may become credible someday.

>>And you're calling JB
>>clueless, Mr-Can't-Write-Three-Lines-of-Lathe-Code-without-Making-Five-
>>Mistakes?

>   If Tom can make negative diameters on a lathe

Tom never claimed to be able to turn negative diameters on a lathe, that's

entirely your own fabrication.

>>Care to post more "stupid and clueless bull****" of your own for us
(tinu) 
>>now, eh?

Kudos for stepping up to the task.

-- 
Black Dragon

Test makers do it:
	A: sometimes
	B: always
	C: never
	D: none of the above.
 




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Machining Tips!
jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 17:19:59 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-11 17:35:18 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 17:40:37 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-11 17:51:42 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 17:54:06 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-11 17:55:24 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 17:56:02 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-11 18:42:51 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-11 19:06:45 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 18:44:46 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 19:12:29 
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Half-nutz <3t3d@[EMAIL  2008-07-11 19:30:46 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 22:20:45 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 01:53:50 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 12:32:16 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-13 09:39:13 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-11 22:58:47 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-19 09:10:03 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:21:45 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-21 12:15:58 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-21 13:19:58 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-21 19:53:39 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-21 20:07:20 
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jon_banqueer <jon_banq  2008-07-12 00:33:06 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 12:34:34 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-12 17:27:36 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 23:19:40 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-13 13:10:25 
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"Kadaitcha Man"  2008-07-13 01:28:15 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-15 00:44:53 
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"Kadaitcha Man"  2008-07-14 13:52:38 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-15 02:59:18 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-14 11:18:02 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-15 02:18:41 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-15 03:10:32 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-18 21:30:54 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-18 15:35:02 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 04:06:12 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 12:54:41 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 18:55:16 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-19 16:18:29 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:15:21 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 12:02:25 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-28 07:32:49 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:26:21 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 04:00:36 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 12:59:18 
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"Kadaitcha Man"  2008-07-20 01:05:02 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 13:35:30 
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"over a barrel"  2008-07-20 08:36:47 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-28 08:18:24 
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gk <glkd@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-18 16:51:52 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 04:01:57 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 12:37:19 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:24:55 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:27:16 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:29:17 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 12:28:04 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-28 07:41:47 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:31:30 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:33:57 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 12:42:18 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-28 08:05:35 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:44:27 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 12:47:03 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-28 08:11:40 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-19 09:24:32 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 11:56:35 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-20 15:39:18 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 04:21:10 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 13:06:18 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:57:11 
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D Murphy <spamto154@[E  2008-07-20 21:25:07 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-21 05:31:47 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-28 08:21:43 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-21 19:39:39 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-21 19:45:18 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 04:25:05 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 16:32:22 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-22 06:55:30 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-22 07:13:06 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-19 15:58:27 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-20 21:02:40 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-21 05:27:37 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-21 16:40:25 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-21 18:15:04 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-20 20:25:19 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-20 21:02:19 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-22 06:11:53 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-22 06:42:14 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-19 16:39:07 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-21 13:49:36 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-21 14:51:07 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-21 20:19:13 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-21 21:37:58 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 12:36:32 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-19 09:22:57 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:15:40 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-19 20:31:20 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 14:12:26 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-19 20:45:13 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-20 19:24:31 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-20 20:12:46 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 23:59:12 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-20 21:33:46 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-20 22:13:27 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-21 05:26:57 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-22 06:30:55 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-12 07:59:11 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-12 14:24:51 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-12 14:32:02 
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"over a barrel"  2008-07-12 14:56:32 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 23:24:23 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-12 15:53:36 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-12 17:32:14 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 23:31:57 
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reidmachine@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-12 09:35:03 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-12 09:46:43 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-12 15:03:46 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-12 16:02:57 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 23:27:41 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-12 16:01:07 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-12 16:11:01 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-12 23:29:47 
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larryrozer@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-12 17:35:27 
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"John R. Carroll&quo  2008-07-12 17:41:41 
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larryrozer@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-12 18:32:07 
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larryrozer@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-12 20:26:25 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-12 21:40:19 
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barn_rubble@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-12 22:27:26 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-14 11:44:44 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-12 22:34:09 
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brewertr@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-12 22:57:53 
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barn_rubble@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-12 22:50:15 
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"vinny" <vin  2008-07-13 02:16:01 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-14 11:45:45 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-13 06:11:14 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-13 06:59:00 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-13 10:32:32 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-14 11:34:16 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-14 11:36:09 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-14 11:39:07 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-15 01:24:46 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 05:02:43 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 05:05:12 
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reidmachine@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-13 09:41:33 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-13 09:55:12 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-13 10:16:30 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-13 10:17:54 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-14 11:42:09 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-18 14:55:02 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 04:23:37 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 03:52:18 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 12:43:16 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:47:23 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 04:13:13 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 13:01:53 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 12:18:47 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-28 07:37:36 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-18 17:21:51 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-18 22:14:51 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 06:38:08 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 04:04:59 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-19 12:46:44 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-19 09:17:45 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-19 18:53:02 
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Black Dragon <bd@[EMAI  2008-07-20 02:22:41 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-19 09:25:48 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 04:14:26 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-20 18:39:29 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-20 23:57:29 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-24 06:26:32 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-07-30 18:46:10 
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"madcadman" <  2008-08-02 22:30:48 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-08-03 05:25:13 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-08-07 11:25:54 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-08-06 06:02:08 
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"madcadman" <  2008-08-07 20:17:47 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-08-07 19:31:52 
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Joe788 <joemama788@[EM  2008-07-30 20:39:18 
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Cliff <Clhuprich@[EMAI  2008-07-31 02:09:25 
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jon_banquer <jon_banqu  2008-08-02 21:50:27 

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