On Sun, 4 May 2008 07:09:57 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jon_banquer@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>How long is it going to be before more users / bloggers start speaking
>up about how dishonest Alibre's CEO Greg Milliken is? For example all
>you can read on Deelip Menezes blog it total bull**** rather than
>users being allowed to state how really ****ed up Alibre really is and
>how dishonest their CEO Greg Milliken is. I've lost count of all the
>users who have abandoned ****p because Alibre won't fix the basics that
>have been broken in Alibre for so long.
>
>A specific example of how ****ed Alibre is, is that Alibre doesn't
>allow a user to create what SolidWorks calls Reference Geometry
>Coordinate Systems. Mastercam has the same thing and calls them Works
>Coordinate Systems or WCS's. Without this ability a CAM users is
>forced to translate the geometry from it's original datum.... a big no-
>no and not allowed by larger / smarter companies. Despite this FACT,
>Alibre CEO Greg Milliken claims to understand what CAM users really
>need. What a ****ing joke... this lying idiot couldn't machine his way
>out of a paper bag and hasn't got clue one on what tools serious
>machining job shops really need.
>
>While I don't like how poorly a job SolidWorks bloggers have done on
>the need for direct geometry editing tools and / or a better Feature
>Manager *until* Siemens/UGS made their announcement a week ago, at
>least one SolidWorks blogger has experienced exactly what kind of liar
>Alibre CEO Greg Milliken really is. I've know it for years as Greg
>Milliken once e-mailed me and promised the next release of Alibre
>would incor****ate the surfacing tools that are in the ACIS kernel
>which Alibre uses. Needless to say this didn't happen and still hasn't
>happened. If you haven't already check out these links:
>
>http://www.mikescadblog.com/2008/01/the-difference.html
>
>http://www.mikescadblog.com/2008/03/what-is-it-with.html
>
>I think its time way more users started speaking up about this kind of
>crap. Greg Milliken is little more than a dishonest ex AutoCAD
>salesman who lies on a frequent basis. I have no doubt that what
>happened to the SolidWorks blogger I linked to above is true based on
>my experiences with Alibre CEO Greg Milliken. Too bad as it doesn't
>have to be this way but that's the kind of person Alibre CEO Greg
>Milliken is.
>
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>
Confused jb in all his glory yet again <G>.
And from Ken to clueless (this one is a HOOT !!) on Nov 16 2003 ....
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[
Alibre is smart enough to use ACIS rather than Parasolid as
they want to offer a complete solution rather try and marry
surfacing routines to Parasolid.
With ACIS it's all done inside the kernel rather than outside
of it.
You might want to take note of what Autodesk, think3, VX,
etc. have had to say about trying to create surfacing
routines outside of a kernel. It obviously doesn't work
very well. You might also want to review the threads in this
newsgroup for proof of how poorly it works in SolidWorks.
Alibre tells me that they will make use of the surfacing
routines in ACIS in Alibre 8.0 due in the second quarter
of next year.
] - Nov 12 2003 - jon banquer
Jon,
You should probably research your facts a little better, as the one
about Parasolid not sup****ting surfaces is untrue. As you probably are
aware, UG uses the Parasolid kernel and has some of the best surfacing in
the industry and is unmatched by anything except for IDEAS and Catia in
this
area (none of them use ACIS, and two of them use Parasolid). I have also
includes a link to a UGS PLMsolutions web page for Parasolid that states
that it does indeed have native sup****t for surfaces.
http://www.eds.com/products/plm/parasolid/extreme.shtml
]
[
You might also want to see if Alibre will talk with you.
The seem like very nice people to me. Always responsive
to anything I ask for.
Naturally, Alibre uses the ACIS kernel and they plan on
making Alibre a seamless, unified, hybrid modeler in the second
quarter of next year.
] - Nov 17 2003 by jon banquer
"Ever looked at Alibre for $500 ???" - Jan 24 2003 by jon_banquer
[
Since Alibre is based on ACIS, (something that Frank Carboneheads pal
Timmy
Markoski insists is an inferior kernel... some of us know better. ;>)) all
you
folks at Alibre need to do is implement the ACIS Advanced Surfacing Husk.
Vola.... unified, seamless, hybrid modeling.
] - Oct 17 2002 by jon_banquer
[
In the mean time, other products like Alibre are going to have a much
better
shot at
gaining market share because their products were never conceived like
SolidWorks
was...
] - Jan 24 2003 by jon_banquer
[
Consider the FACT that the person posting this uses Rhino for machine
design
rather than a program like Alibre or Solidworks that is really designed
for
machine design.
] - Jan 19 2003 by jon_banquer
[
Spent $4000 for SolidWorks yet without checking out what $500
Alibre can do ??? Did spending the $4000 for SolidWorks make you feel
better
about yourself ???
] - Jan 18 2003 by jon_banquer
"Alibre represents MUCH BETTER VALUE" - Jan 17 2003 by jon_banquer
"Alibre represent good value." - Jan 15 2003 by jon_banquer
"Alibre represents much better value for many" - Jan 15 2003 by
jon_banquer
"Alibre is a much better choice for job shops" - Dec 10 2002 by
jon_banquer
"Global Shape Modeling capabilities in products like Ashlar-Vellum
Cobalt,
Alibre" - Dec 5 2002 by jon_banquer
"I would switch in a ****ing heartbeat to Alibre, despite owning and
using
SolidWorks for years." - Nov 11 2002 by jon_banquer
"Just looking at some of the technology that Alibre has licensed is
impressive. So is their modern UI." - Nov 14 2002 by jon_banquer
"Jon Baker would be much better off learning Alibre." - Nov 11 2002 by
jon_banquer
"I would try $500 Alibre." - Nov 8 2002 by jon_banquer
HTH
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Cliff
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