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Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional

by "Janes" <djanes@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 1, 2008 at 05:10 PM

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  "Ben & Mickie Loosli" <looslib@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message =
news:13q7dc277h7ud9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  We run 64bit Pro/E on a workstation and a server, 2 quadcore =
processsors, for those who need the extra memory. It does handle our =
largest models for those situations where needed. We design aircraft =
mods, so our files do tend to be quite large.
    "Janes" <djanes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message =
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      "Bertil Rogmark" <bertil@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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      Is it worthwile to go this way?

      Bertil=20


    I don't think so for the following reasons:
      a.. PTC has only ever had two or three implementation of Pro/e for =
64 bit machines and those were HP-UX, Sun Solaris and XP Pro running on =
a limited number of Xeon machines, so if you don't have one of these =
choice workstations, you're probably SOL;=20
      b.. Pro/e is not a multi threaded app and seems incapable of =
taking advantage of multi-processor environments. It does benefit from =
the extended memory addressing of 64 bit, but that seems to be about it =
for advantages. So, you really need to be crunched for memory to take =
real advantage of 64 bit hardware/software combos;=20
      c.. 64 bit seems to suffer, speed wise, by the additional overhead =
and is not inherently faster than 32 bit processing (and runs 32 bit =
apps typically slower than a 32 bit machine), except for those tasks =
that can be done no other way;=20
      d.. 64 bit processing on Windows platforms is still in its infancy =
so the driver situation, the number of standard apps ****ted to 64 bit =
and connectivity issues still plague the 64 bit world and it lags in its =
adoption ~ another reason to recommend against it.
    David Janes


I guess what's missing from this discussion is some basic information: =
what are your memory needs, Bertil? Why are you considering going 64 =
bit?

David Janes
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      it worthwile to go this way?<BR><BR>Bertil <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <DIV>I don't think so for the following reasons:</DIV>
    <UL>
      <LI>PTC has only ever&nbsp;had two or three&nbsp;implementation of =
Pro/e=20
      for 64 bit machines and those were HP-UX, Sun Solaris and XP Pro =
running=20
      on a limited number of Xeon machines, so&nbsp;if you don't have =
one of=20
      these choice workstations, you're probably SOL;=20
      <LI>Pro/e is not a multi threaded app and seems incapable of =
taking=20
      advantage of multi-processor environments. It does benefit from =
the=20
      extended memory addressing of 64 bit, but that seems to be about =
it for=20
      advantages. So, you really need to be crunched for memory to take =
real=20
      advantage of 64 bit hardware/software combos;=20
      <LI>64 bit seems to suffer, speed wise, by the additional overhead =
and is=20
      not inherently faster than 32 bit processing (and runs 32 bit apps =

      typically slower than a 32 bit machine), except for those tasks =
that can=20
      be done no other way;=20
      <LI>64 bit processing on Windows platforms is still in its infancy =
so the=20
      driver situation, the number of standard apps ****ted to 64 bit and =

      connectivity issues still plague the 64 bit world and it lags in =
its=20
      adoption ~ another reason to recommend against it.</LI></UL>
    <DIV>David Janes</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>I guess what's missing from this discussion is some basic =
information: what=20
are your memory needs, Bertil? Why are you considering going 64 =
bit?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>David Janes</DIV></BODY></HTML>

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 15 Posts in Topic:
ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Bertil Rogmark"  2008-02-01 20:34:03 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Janes" <dja  2008-02-01 15:39:17 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Ben & Mickie Lo  2008-02-01 18:12:46 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Janes" <dja  2008-02-01 17:10:17 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Bertil Rogmark"  2008-02-02 06:33:37 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Janes" <dja  2008-02-02 06:49:03 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
CADaholic <CADaholic@[  2008-02-03 02:33:45 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Janes" <dja  2008-02-03 09:07:05 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
dgp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-02-04 05:53:30 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Janes" <dja  2008-02-04 17:14:10 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
graminator <grahamew@[  2008-02-04 10:56:56 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Janes" <dja  2008-02-04 17:34:42 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
David Geesaman <dgeesa  2008-02-04 20:50:55 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
"Janes" <dja  2008-02-04 18:57:24 
Re: ProE on Windows XP 64 Professional
krullmi <krullmi@[EMAI  2008-02-21 04:52:44 

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