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> "Von" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"Janes"
> <djanes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:PVBfj.27828$yV5.20409@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>=20
> >=20
> > The real solution would of course be electroconvulsive therapy.
> >=20
> >=20
> > I disagree: 5 years solitary without access to a computer, =
FOLLOWED
> BY
> > ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OF OPRAH RERUNS. AND STILL NO ACCESS TO A=20
> COMPUTER.
> > Take his freakin' puter away from him.... and his useless =
freedom.=20
> He
> > can't handle it anyway! Doesn't know what to do with it, abuses =
it,
> > mocks it... like the NAZIs who mocked democracy and those who
> > practiced it as weaklings, saps, degenerates. **** this asshole,=20
> drop
> > him in a hole. And, if you can find out ANYTHING from his header,
> > track him, re****t him, dog him, spam him back, harrass him, haunt =
> him,
> > crap on him any way you can. Likely it's faked, though, so before =
> you
> > jump in his ****, send a friendly email to see if you get a
> > friendly reply. Or use WHOIS to track his URL/IP address and =
notify
> > his=20
> service
> > provider that he's a low life, s*** sucking pig.=20
> >=20
> > But, after using USENET for years, in an unmoderated NG, I'd have
> > to say that I'm most disturbed by the fact that USENET is so
> > USELESS. Someone from there will jump in YOUR **** if you dare =
post
> > a dumbass binary file on this group, no matter how useful and
> > appropriate it=20
> is,
> > but they couldn't care less that tons of bandwidth is being taken
> > up with this kind of totally inappropriate, uselss, disruptive,
> > non-NG, spammed material. USENET should be stopping this **** and
> > they have the technical resources to do it. Call them and =
complain.
> >=20
> > My 5=A2
> >=20
> > David Janes
>=20
>=20
> David,
>=20
> You need to get a decent news provider,=20
>=20
> This is probably, actually, a very good idea. My news provider is
> whatever Cox.net signed up for and is some off-brand **** that =
barely
> works for normal stuff. However, I still say that, if your news
> service can filter the most OBVIOUS spam, so could the dumbass,
> useless USENET ****s that rule their quaint little world while =
taking
> absolutely no responsibility for what goes over it except to =
stupidly,
> meaninglessly distinguish between binary and ASCII newsgroups. And, =
if
> they were truely and really concerned about the sacred 'bandwidth',
> they'd immediately get rid of ALT.anything.... They obviously aren't
> seriously worried about bandwidth; and the distinction and =
hullaballoo
> about binary posts on ASCII newsgroups is a hoax, a sham, a scam, a
> retreat to some mindless USENET dogmatism while they play CYA over =
the
> lack of any real solution.=20
>=20
> David Janes
David,
Usenet is just a collection of protocals. No one group of people have =
control of how usenet is used. I suppose there could be a complete=20
overhaul of the usenet protocals, but with as few people actually =
using=20
usenet (compared to all of those that use the internet in general) I=20
wouldn't hold my breath The beauty and the bane of usenet is that it =
is=20
wide open, anybody can post and unfortunately or fortunately depending =
on=20
your point of view it can be almost totally anonymous. This brings =
out=20
the wackos, spammers, and news bombers. Wackos and spammers, can be=20
mostly taken care of with local filtering if you have a decent news=20
reader like xnews or agent. Currently the only protection from the=20
recent flood of nonsense messages is conscioncous administration of =
the=20
news servers. Most of the big providers like Cox or Time Warner don't =
care about usenet because so few of there customers actually use it, =
if=20
most did then the complaints would be so load that they would have to =
do=20
something. That means you have to get your news from someplace that=20
actually gives a damn, like giganews, aioe, supernews and others.
You don't have to use what cox handed out to you, there are =
alternatives=20
that are just as cheap (free) and run much better. The only thing =
that=20
Cox provides that you may not be able to get elsewhere is the pipe to =
the=20
internet.
There is no central authority that you can go to to fix this unless =
they=20
completely redesign the internet protocals. I am not sure that you =
would=20
like the results of that any better than what we have now.
HTH
Von
So why isn't comp.cad.pro-engineer a binary NG and why are there dweebs =
that constantly remind you, if you try to post a jpeg here or a Pro/e =
PRT file, that this is a TEXT newsgroup. And how come this difference is =
writ in stone, like there's no path to change a group that was =
mistakenly started as a text group into a binary one. Owner****p is =
clouded in protocals; they set it up the way they wanted it and when you =
go to change it they say you can't, it's just the way it's set up. =
Somebody owns the rules! Who owns the rules owns the Internet.
David Janes
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<BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > The real =
solution=20
would of course be electroconvulsive therapy.<BR>> >=20
<BR>> > <BR>> > I disagree: 5 years solitary =
without=20
access to a computer, FOLLOWED<BR>> BY<BR>> > ANOTHER =
FIVE=20
YEARS OF OPRAH RERUNS. AND STILL NO ACCESS TO A <BR>>=20
COMPUTER.<BR>> > Take his freakin' puter away from him.... =
and his=20
useless freedom. <BR>> He<BR>> > can't handle it =
anyway!=20
Doesn't know what to do with it, abuses it,<BR>> > mocks =
it...=20
like the NAZIs who mocked democracy and those who<BR>> > =
practiced=20
it as weaklings, saps, degenerates. **** this asshole, <BR>>=20
drop<BR>> > him in a hole. And, if you can find out =
ANYTHING from=20
his header,<BR>> > track him, re****t him, dog him, spam =
him back,=20
harrass him, haunt <BR>> him,<BR>> > crap on him any =
way you=20
can. Likely it's faked, though, so before <BR>> you<BR>> =
> jump=20
in his ****, send a friendly email to see if you get a<BR>> =
>=20
friendly reply. Or use WHOIS to track his URL/IP address and=20
notify<BR>> > his <BR>> service<BR>> > =
provider=20
that he's a low life, s*** sucking pig. <BR>> > =
<BR>> =20
> But, after using USENET for years, in an unmoderated NG, I'd=20
have<BR>> > to say that I'm most disturbed by the fact =
that USENET=20
is so<BR>> > USELESS. Someone from there will jump in YOUR =
**** if=20
you dare post<BR>> > a dumbass binary file on this group, =
no=20
matter how useful and<BR>> > appropriate it <BR>>=20
is,<BR>> > but they couldn't care less that tons of =
bandwidth is=20
being taken<BR>> > up with this kind of totally =
inappropriate,=20
uselss, disruptive,<BR>> > non-NG, spammed material. =
USENET should=20
be stopping this **** and<BR>> > they have the technical =
resources=20
to do it. Call them and complain.<BR>> > <BR>> =
> My=20
5=A2<BR>> > <BR>> > David Janes<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> David,<BR>> <BR>> You need to =
get a=20
decent news provider, <BR>> <BR>> This is probably, actually, a =
very=20
good idea. My news provider is<BR>> whatever Cox.net signed up for =
and is=20
some off-brand **** that barely<BR>> works for normal stuff. =
However, I=20
still say that, if your news<BR>> service can filter the most =
OBVIOUS spam,=20
so could the dumbass,<BR>> useless USENET ****s that rule their =
quaint=20
little world while taking<BR>> absolutely no responsibility for =
what goes=20
over it except to stupidly,<BR>> meaninglessly distinguish between =
binary=20
and ASCII newsgroups. And, if<BR>> they were truely and really =
concerned=20
about the sacred 'bandwidth',<BR>> they'd immediately get rid of=20
ALT.anything.... They obviously aren't<BR>> seriously worried about =
bandwidth; and the distinction and hullaballoo<BR>> about binary =
posts on=20
ASCII newsgroups is a hoax, a sham, a scam, a<BR>> retreat to some =
mindless=20
USENET dogmatism while they play CYA over the<BR>> lack of any real =
solution. <BR>> <BR>> David Janes<BR><BR>David,<BR><BR>Usenet is =
just a=20
collection of protocals. No one group of people have <BR>control =
of how=20
usenet is used. I suppose there could be a complete <BR>overhaul =
of the=20
usenet protocals, but with as few people actually using <BR>usenet =
(compared=20
to all of those that use the internet in general) I <BR>wouldn't hold =
my=20
breath The beauty and the bane of usenet is that it is <BR>wide =
open,=20
anybody can post and unfortunately or fortunately depending on =
<BR>your point=20
of view it can be almost totally anonymous. This brings out =
<BR>the=20
wackos, spammers, and news bombers. Wackos and spammers, can be=20
<BR>mostly taken care of with local filtering if you have a decent =
news=20
<BR>reader like xnews or agent. Currently the only protection =
from the=20
<BR>recent flood of nonsense messages is conscioncous administration =
of the=20
<BR>news servers. Most of the big providers like Cox or Time =
Warner=20
don't <BR>care about usenet because so few of there customers actually =
use it,=20
if <BR>most did then the complaints would be so load that they would =
have to=20
do <BR>something. That means you have to get your news from =
someplace=20
that <BR>actually gives a damn, like giganews, aioe, supernews and=20
others.<BR><BR>You don't have to use what cox handed out to you, there =
are=20
alternatives <BR>that are just as cheap (free) and run much=20
better. The only thing that <BR>Cox provides that you may not be =
able to=20
get elsewhere is the pipe to the <BR>internet.<BR><BR>There is no =
central=20
authority that you can go to to fix this unless they <BR>completely =
redesign=20
the internet protocals. I am not sure that you would <BR>like =
the=20
results of that any better than what we have=20
now.<BR><BR>HTH<BR><BR>Von</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV>So why isn't comp.cad.pro-engineer a binary NG and why are there =
dweebs=20
that constantly remind you, if you try to post a jpeg here or =
a Pro/e PRT=20
file, that this is a TEXT newsgroup. And how come this difference is =
writ in=20
stone, like there's no path to change a group that was mistakenly =
started as a=20
text group into a binary one. Owner****p is clouded in protocals; they =
set it up=20
the way they wanted it and when you go to change it they say you can't, =
it's=20
just the way it's set up. Somebody owns the rules! Who owns the rules =
owns the=20
Internet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>David Janes</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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