On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:47:02 -0700 (PDT), phil scott <phil@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>On Jul 4, 11:16 am, Cliff <Clhupr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:46:20 -0700 (PDT), phil scott
<p...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >But its easily a tenth or less as complex as IV...
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>> That sort of thing usually means you can do a lot less
>> with it.
>> --
>> Cliff
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>Well..its up and running. I did disc clean up and defrag first (that
>took 8 hours).. loaded SE this AM..that took about 20 minutes (IV
>took hours, and so did Alibre... alibre took 4 hours as i recall...I
>did about half of its tutorial.. it had noticeable limitations...
>no array no pattering bolt hole features apparently.. you had to lay
>each hole out separately.).
You may be just learning the very basic features by intent. First
things first.
Check docs & options under pattern(s).
http://www.solidedgecommunity.com/connectqna_submitanswer.php?cpfeatureid=9458
http://www.myigetit.com/vault/courseinfo.aspx?cid=5477
>The SE tutorials are absolutely world class. The screen comes up with
>a part to edit or draw and you edit it or draw it live as the
>tutorial and the various screen prompts guide you (in 'apprentice'
>mode)...iit is a fully interactive tutorial ... procedures less than a
>tenth as complex as IV..
Well-planned training beats hack-n-whack any day.
Do you have CAST? That may be only for UG training & docs
though.
>I read the SE basics book friday before I loaded the program..that
>took about 8 hours.. as i had guessed. 1 hour was way optimistic for
>me, but Id guess an experienced SE or SW user could have done it an
>hour..
IIRC 15 minutes (including the canned demo) is the limit of jb's
attention span.
>So far id estimate that SE plain vanilla operates much as SW in solid
>modeling,... it operates about a tenth as complex with assemblies as
>in IV..I dont know it compares with SW in that regard.
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>it loaded with no catch 22's or suprises.. I did have to reboot to get
>my web access working again.
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>Re inventor. from what I can tell is cobbled together from many
>other vendors cornels or whatever those are called....
Kernels & Autodesk uses their own version of the ACIS one
which jb sez is better that sliced bread compared to that really,
really bad Parasolid one (per jb) you are now using (as does SW).
>the load time
>and the arcane operations are a result of having to stitch all that
>crap together.
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> I dont see any significant traces of that in SE. It seems to be a
>pretty much of a self integrated system.
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>I dont know what SE capabilities are yet, but Id estimate they are
>approx equal to IV and the others. If SE has a close rival Id guess
>it was SW at this point. SE synch should outstrip anything on the
>market by a wide margin if it lives up to even half of its
>promise....
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>truly I must *thank JB for the tip regardless what some see as other
>issues... we all have those you know. Perhaps i myself am more
>tolerant due to all the gun fights, nasty motorcycle and red headed
>babe issues...not to mention the fiasco with the US Dept of Energy..
>(they absolutely HATE my guts you know)..
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>Implications for our business are extensive imo... CAD work so simple
>that anyone can learn it and do it..which means lower rates for cad
>operators.....
So simple even jb could use it?
>and a much more competitive world market... not the
>best for segments of the US economy given china's mfg capability
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> My advice, get good at some essoteric very high end specialities and
>stay on the leading edge of those advances. Ive done that with my
>clients, moved them from grunt work type projects to more
>sophisticated projects... and into controls etc.. even that is being
>heavily invaded by the totally cloooless.. a mess. but thats how its
>going.
>
>Advanced and easier techology is a two edged sword. Personally I saw
>some of this comming 15 years ago and began broadening my engineering
>and hands on skill sets (trade skills)... the combination is all thats
>keeping this ol philsie from getting really really thin..
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>I have 8 days to do the basic book and some tutorials.. my guess i
>will have them all done in that time frame. Then it appears that the
>first 4 day training class. ($1,495, but I got a package deal
>discount) will cover synchronous..I will be ready for it.
>
>SE seems to run OK on the compaq...Id bet sycnhronous does as well.
You don't have anything complex or large (files & number of files/parts)
yet.
>Phil scott
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Cliff
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