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>> "Kris Krieger" <me@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>
>>> Each has their uses. Sometimes, a smaller one is appropriate. Also,
>>> WIsteria can go truely rampant in a mild climate... I don't recall
>>> how they climb - some tendrils can invade morter, and some vines
>>> (IIRC, Trumpet Vine is one) also have sucker-like things that seem to
>>> create a sort of "glue".
>>>
>>> So you have to check the moreter etc. to be sure that you have your
>>> structural integrity intact. I don't recall how long all of this
>>> takes; jsut tht it's a possiblity that makes checking a good idea.
>>>
>>> They do smell great, tho' ;)
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>>>> The projects I mentioned just painted the concrete, as wallboarding
>>>> would have added costs. In the 60's nobody talked about insulation.
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>>> THat's true. OTOH, could it be retrofitted...?
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>>>> These were HUD 221d3 blocks and gov't recommended insulation was
>>>> none in the walls and 1" Styrofoam on the roof. The exterior walls
>>>> had condensate on them in the winter and ice in the hallways. Cost
>>>> for each apt. could not to exceed $14,500, or about $20 per square
>>>> foot. Concrete is quieter, but impact (such as high heels on floors)
>>>> comes right through. Hell to hang pictures on also ;-) Don is right,
>>>> the road to Hell is paved with good government intentions. EDS
>>>
>>> True, bare bones like that wouldn't work well at all...
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>> Wisteria climb by wrapping tendrils around trees, fencing, fire
>> escapes, etc. They do grow fast, do not damage masonry.
>> EDS
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> Ah, I see, I'm not that familiar with them so I didn't know. I
> remember, when I lived in Columbia, SC many years back, seeing them
> covering phone poles and going across teh wires to travel back down
> trees, and so on - there was one street in particular that was just
> loaded with them, and when they were in bloom, it smelled great :)
>
> IIRC, there is a black locust (or some sort of locust) that grows fast,
> does not sucker or have thorns, and also have a wonderful scent; had one
> growing outside of a 2nd storey apt window in Canada.
>
> Still wondering, tho', about the whole modular concrete house thing. It
> seems practical from the standpoint of being termite-proof (a biggie
> down here) and rot proof (another biggie), but would it be practical and
> economical?
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We used to dream of extruding concrete houses, but there are some
problems:
-To be accurate and be able to piece the thing together, skilled workers
must be used, not the wood knockers used in prefab buildings.
-Weight. Heavy equipment and cranes are needed.
-Public attitude.
I designed a large car wash / lube / detailing building that is just
getting
completed. We used a Canadian system (Royal Building System) that has
permanent PVC forms that lock together and hold the reinforcing in place.
The forms are grouted solid to produce an 8" or 6" solid wall. In our
case,
we applied a minimum 2" EIFS insulation/stucco facing on the outside. All
interior areas are a smooth white PVC finish. This system is much easier
to
manipulate and frankly looks a lot better.
EDS
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