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>>>>>>> >>>>> "How much does a house weigh?"
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> http://amazinglyenough.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-much-does-h
>>>>>>> >>>>> ou se-wei
>>>>>>> >>>>> gh .html
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>>>>>>> >>>> New or recycled house?
>>>>>>> >>>> Around here it would have been cut in half or built in two
>>>>>>> >>>> bolt-together pieces. The trailer and house held up ok.
>>>>>>> >>>> Would be interesting to see how they got it off. Nice
>>>>>>> >>>> battery of hydraulic rams I guess. "There is an engineering
>>>>>>> >>>> solution to every problem" as
>>>>>>> >>>> long as someone pays
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> In Cape Coral FL awhile back they built a brand new bridge
>>>>>>> >>> with upramps and all that and in the process moved something
>>>>>>> >>> like 80 houses
>>>>>>> >>> to new locations. Concrete block houses complete with
>>>>>>> >>> concrete slabs,
>>>>>>> >>> footings, all of it, in one piece.
>>>>>>> >>> As of 2 years ago some of them were still sitting on
>>>>>>> >>> trailers in vacant lots waiting to be re-planted.
>>>>>>> >>> They would move them down the streets early in the morning,
>>>>>>> >>> 3 am, and
>>>>>>> >>> yank the overhead power wires, traffic signals, etc.
>>>>>>> >>> These were houses in the 1500-2500 sf range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> 139 - 232m2 ... some scary weight there - any images
>>>>>>> >> available? Heaviest thing that moved around here in recent
>>>>>>> >> years was a church, but
>>>>>>> >> in three pieces (it had moved before so the same cut lines
>>>>>>> >> could be used).
>>>>>>> >> A fair amount of heritage stuff gets relocated, mostly
>>>>>>> >> hardwood framed
>>>>>>> >> and clad. Too expensive to build with the stuff now, and not
>>>>>>> >> PC to harvest it. But it stacks up as an example of
>>>>>>> >> 'sustainability' in practice - most of the embodied energy
>>>>>>> >> being retained for the indefinite
>>>>>>> >> future etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > No pix.
>>>>>>> > They may not be sitting around anymore.
>>>>>>> > I personally wouldn't buy a house like that.
>>>>>>> > In my opinion concrete houses shouldn't be moved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not? Properly moved they should have no damage. About 15
>>>>>>> years ago I was
>>>>>>> the architect for the moving of the Southeast lighthouse on
>>>>>>> Block Island RI.
>>>>>>> A brick structure 70' tall with a 2 family brick attached brick
>>>>>>> structure.
>>>>>>> Walls of the light were 3' thick at the base. 4' base was
>>>>>>> granite over brick
>>>>>>> backup. Originally built in 1870. The 150' bluff it was on had
>>>>>>> eroded back
>>>>>>> 200' in 120 years, so we moved it back 250'. We did build a new
>>>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>>> It was moved on rails in one piece, with no cracks.Here is the
>>>>>>> whole history:http://lighthouse.cc/blockisoutheast/history.html
>>>>>>> EDS
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>>>>>> Wow EDS, I think I saw that on educational TV!
>>>>>> (Discovery or some darn thing), had my eyeballs
>>>>>> glued to the TV. The mission scale is on a par
>>>>>> with straighening the Leaning Tower full of Pizza.
>>>>>> Ken
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>>>>> It was on PBS, maybe some other shows. Of course the worker bees,
>>>>> the architects, engineers, and local folks, are never mentioned
>>>>> but it was pretty good. We went to the relighting party, with the
>>>>> politicos and their ilk talking. but the food was good and free.
>>>>> BTW lubrication for the rails was Ivory Snow soap.
>>>>> EDS
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>>>> Do you think a wood framed house is a little more *flexible* than a
>>>> concrete block house?
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>>> Yes, but the CMU house can be moved, but requires more care.
>>> EDS
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>> DO you think,then, that there is a use/market for perfab concrete
>> buildings (residential or commercial)? Would there be an advantage
>> to that? I know that prefabbed "stick" houses have the advantage of
>> having all the [parts built in dry conditions, and that the assembly
>> is fast. Anything similar for concrete?
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> Did you know jail cells have been pre-fab since at least the 80's?
No, I didn't know that :o
> Yep, they are 5 sided precast concrete boxes with keyed joints and are
> stacked in place.
> The plumbing is 1 piece stainless steel, ****er & sink, the door is 1
> piece and the racks (beds) are precast concrete with the walls.
> When a country is imprisoning people at the rate the US is they had to
> figure out a fast way to put these things together.
> They load about 12 of em on a flatboy and truck em to the site and a
> crane stacks em right there.
> Just put em together like fullscale Legos.
Huh, I didn't know that.
So why are houses such a production...?
> Don't bother with a *vacancy* sign, there's already a potential
> backlog of customers.
Heh.
Problem is, I dunno which is worse, the State so to speak, or the
populace with the increasing "rules are for everyone else" sort of
narcissistic sociopathology...
Well, in any event, the "Lego" thing is interesting. I'm assuming
they're sturdy and last a good many years, too. Which just brings me
back to wondering why so much other construction, esp. residential, is
such a production and, all too often, so, well, er, shoddy...?
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