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>>>>>> >>>>> "How much does a house weigh?"
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> http://amazinglyenough.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-much-does-hou
>>>>>> >>>>> se-wei
>>>>>> >>>>> gh .html
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>>>>>> >>>> New or recycled house?
>>>>>> >>>> Around here it would have been cut in half or built in two
>>>>>> >>>> bolt-together pieces. The trailer and house held up ok. Would
>>>>>> >>>> be interesting to see how they got it off. Nice battery of
>>>>>> >>>> hydraulic rams I guess. "There is an engineering solution to
>>>>>> >>>> every problem" as
>>>>>> >>>> long as someone pays
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> In Cape Coral FL awhile back they built a brand new bridge
>>>>>> >>> with upramps and all that and in the process moved something
>>>>>> >>> like 80 houses
>>>>>> >>> to new locations. Concrete block houses complete with concrete
>>>>>> >>> slabs,
>>>>>> >>> footings, all of it, in one piece.
>>>>>> >>> As of 2 years ago some of them were still sitting on trailers
>>>>>> >>> in vacant lots waiting to be re-planted.
>>>>>> >>> They would move them down the streets early in the morning, 3
>>>>>> >>> am, and
>>>>>> >>> yank the overhead power wires, traffic signals, etc.
>>>>>> >>> These were houses in the 1500-2500 sf range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> 139 - 232m2 ... some scary weight there - any images available?
>>>>>> >> Heaviest thing that moved around here in recent years was a
>>>>>> >> church, but
>>>>>> >> in three pieces (it had moved before so the same cut lines
>>>>>> >> could be used).
>>>>>> >> A fair amount of heritage stuff gets relocated, mostly hardwood
>>>>>> >> framed
>>>>>> >> and clad. Too expensive to build with the stuff now, and not PC
>>>>>> >> to harvest it. But it stacks up as an example of
>>>>>> >> 'sustainability' in practice - most of the embodied energy
>>>>>> >> being retained for the indefinite
>>>>>> >> future etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > No pix.
>>>>>> > They may not be sitting around anymore.
>>>>>> > I personally wouldn't buy a house like that.
>>>>>> > In my opinion concrete houses shouldn't be moved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not? Properly moved they should have no damage. About 15 years
>>>>>> ago I was
>>>>>> the architect for the moving of the Southeast lighthouse on Block
>>>>>> Island RI.
>>>>>> A brick structure 70' tall with a 2 family brick attached brick
>>>>>> structure.
>>>>>> Walls of the light were 3' thick at the base. 4' base was granite
>>>>>> over brick
>>>>>> backup. Originally built in 1870. The 150' bluff it was on had
>>>>>> eroded back
>>>>>> 200' in 120 years, so we moved it back 250'. We did build a new
>>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>> It was moved on rails in one piece, with no cracks.Here is the
>>>>>> whole history:http://lighthouse.cc/blockisoutheast/history.html
>>>>>> EDS
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>>>>> Wow EDS, I think I saw that on educational TV!
>>>>> (Discovery or some darn thing), had my eyeballs
>>>>> glued to the TV. The mission scale is on a par
>>>>> with straighening the Leaning Tower full of Pizza.
>>>>> Ken
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>>>> It was on PBS, maybe some other shows. Of course the worker bees,
>>>> the architects, engineers, and local folks, are never mentioned but
>>>> it was pretty good. We went to the relighting party, with the
>>>> politicos and their ilk talking. but the food was good and free. BTW
>>>> lubrication for the rails was Ivory Snow soap.
>>>> EDS
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>>> Do you think a wood framed house is a little more *flexible* than a
>>> concrete block house?
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, but the CMU house can be moved, but requires more care.
>> EDS
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> DO you think,then, that there is a use/market for perfab concrete
> buildings (residential or commercial)? Would there be an advantage to
> that? I know that prefabbed "stick" houses have the advantage of having
> all the [parts built in dry conditions, and that the assembly is fast.
> Anything similar for concrete?
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Actually yes, particularly precast concrete. I do a lot of water treatment
and sewer treatment facilities. The smaller pump stations, up to about 11
x
30 are often just precast boxes, with openings for doors, louvers, etc. We
lower them into the ground, fasten to a tiedown slab (to prevent uplift),
stack to height required, then waterproof exterior. If exposed, they get
faced with singles or brick and a pitched roof. Add lattice work to the
outside and a wisteria vine and everyone is happy. In the late 60's I
worked
on precast apartment blocks with concrete walls. Tenants were not to happy
with those cold walls. Also tried 3/4" brick facing cast into precast
exterior walls. Worked great, but looked fake as it was too perfect.
EDS
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